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PostSubject: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:22 am

Just pulled out half of rogues tooth.

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:24 am

And found this on the other side.

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:25 am

That lump is hard though...if it was squishy I'd of said abscess....and I'd of popped it.

But I had numbing cream here in the house so I pulled her tooth out after rubbing that on her gums...lol poor thing she is so placid.
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:48 pm

Remind me not to tell you I have a toothache!!

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:52 pm

Lol...it was flapping around, it must of been annoying...and sharp.
I didn't oull her actual tooth out just the shard part,...she didn't flinch so she must of been fine...lol
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 2:08 pm

ouch, looks painful. My abscesses can be quite hard at times, till they are ready to burst. Aww, hope she feels better with it out.x
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:32 pm

Iv googled it, could be an epilum...
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:43 pm

What is that when it is at home Tayer??

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:47 pm

Epulis I ment.

It's like a skin tag, that could grow back or spread, once removed...

Epulis in Dogs

Epulides are tumors or tumor-like masses on an animal’s gums, which do not come from the teeth. They appear early on as small masses sprouting from the gum, which seem to hang from a stalk, and often displace tooth structures as they expand. Most epulides stick to the bone, do not have a capsule, and have a smooth to slightly nodular surface. They do not spread but may deform the face.

Epulides are the fourth most common oral tumor in dogs (rare in cats) and occur most often in brachycephalic breeds. Boxers tend to have a greater incidence of fibromatous epuli than other breeds of dog.

Symptoms and Types

There are three categories of epulides: fibromatous, ossifying, and acanthomatous. Acanthomatous epuli, in particular, are highly invasive to the bone and are usually located on the front part of the lower jaw. On occasion your dog will display no visible outward signs. It is therefore important you look inside your pet's mouth if you suspect a problem. Symptoms associated with epulides include:

Excessive salivation
Bad breath (halitosis)
Trouble eating
Blood from the mouth
Weight loss
Enlargement of the lymph nodes in the neck
Asymmetric upper or lower jaw

Causes

None identified.

Diagnosis

After you give a complete medical history for the animal to the veterinarian, he or she will conduct a thorough oral examination, which should reveal an epulide. If present, X-rays will be taken to classify the type of epulis and check the health of the teeth around the epulis. A section of the epulis must also be cut out, down to the bone, to be sent to the laboratory for analysis. This is best done while your dog is anesthetized.

Treatment

Your veterinarian will remove the epulis surgically while your pet is anesthetized. Any teeth that have been extensively damaged by the epulis will also be removed, and the tooth socket will be cleaned out with special dental instruments.

If the epulis is acanthomatous and is thought of as aggressive (they can be precancerous lesions), he or she may need to remove half of your pet’s lower or upper jaw, and administer radiotherapy to your pet to assure the epulis does not come back. He or she may also inject chemotherapeutic agents into the area of the epulis to prevent it from expanding.

Living and Management

Pets should return to the veterinarian one, two, three, six, nine, 12, 15, 18, and 24 months after treatment for thorough oral, head, and neck examinations. Periodic X-rays of the inside of your dog’s mouth should be taken, especially if the mass was diagnosed as an acanthomatous epulis.

Most epulides are cured if the edges of the surgically removed tumor was not cancerous (a laboratory will examine the tumor after your veterinarian has removed it). However, if your veterinarian had to cut into the bone to remove the tumor, the epulide will probably return.
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:50 pm

When I sent gav the pics, he phoned me and iv never heard so much worry in his voice....his first thought cancer.

As rogue is coming up 9 years old this year (July).
I'll book a vets appt this week....gizzy needs his nails trimmed anyway....
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:15 pm

Oh that sounds horrible. Hope it's one of the simpler ones and can be removed and it doesn't return. Poor Rogue.x
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:26 pm

I've seen these alot in boxers as I said before - try not to worry! I dont think i've seen any that turned out to be cancerous!
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:07 am

Aww hope its nothing serious

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Mon Mar 03, 2014 12:41 pm

Always a worry when you find something is wrong with your pets - hope she gets the all clear Tayer and like Maddi says, she hasn't seen any that were cancerous so I would take that as a positive sign xx

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:12 pm

I took her into the vets today, booked her in as a Health examination....she wasn't concerned of the epulis...just keep an eye on it.
The tooth wasn't concerning as it wasn't deep but again keep an eye on it, as it may need extracting at a later date.
Her milking was the main topic of conversation, as it can cause an infection and cause long term operations etc...so once she's stopped this session of phantom pregnancy, to be spade...!
If the epulis has grown in that time of rogue going in for her spade, they will remove that also, when she's under.

Gizzy is having his pampering day next Tuesday, nails cut and a shampooing....!

Watching the vet put a thermometer up her bum reminded me of the scene on dr do little....her eyes popped out and she looked back at what was happening...
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:52 pm

Would be enough for my eyes to pop out!! Some TLC for Rogue and Gizzy having a pampering day - must book Diddy Dog in, he needs a shampoo and cut x

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:18 pm

I thought rogue was 9 in July, but after talking to Gavs Nan, their dogs are 9 & 6 iv had rogue before them....she may be 10 or 11 I shall look on her vaccination papers.
Time flies...can not imagine a house without rogue.
Saying that the vet thought she was a youngster, as she asked if we were planning to have any litters from her...hence the next question..maybe spaye her.


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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:22 pm

Aww, poor Rogue! Brings back memories for me of going in for a check up after my operation! Felt violated! My eyes popped out when he asked the nurse to bring the lube!  affraid puke
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:25 pm

She is 9 June 2005
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:03 pm

Fionac wrote:
Aww, poor Rogue! Brings back memories for me of going in for a check up after my operation! Felt violated! My eyes popped out when he asked the nurse to bring the lube!  affraid puke

More like your luck was in!!

Good age Tayer - my diddy dog is eight this year - time does indeed fly x

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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:20 pm

Noooooo! I draw the line at two fingers up my storm drain!
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:55 pm

Lmao Fiona....poor you....but it's so normal to them...I couldn't do it.
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:34 pm

I have a groomer comes to house Helen very reasonable if you want her number x
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:47 pm

Haha, I remember I'd told the lads I'd be in work in the afternoon, thinking it would just be a look at the outside. I remember phoning my boss after it and saying 'I've just been violated! I'm going home!' Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Rogues mouth.   Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:14 pm

That is a great age for a doggie, it is amazing what love and care can do.

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